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DocofDeath · by **DocofDeath** » 06 Nov 2009 17:16

i just found out something new about the stupid healthcare system our government is trying to create:

-basically its going to be like car insurance; you have to have it by law.

but will it be free? no it won't be, and get this:

if you don't have health insurance you will be fined a sum close to 8 thousand dollars.

what the hell is that shit?? what will the people who are out of a job do? why isn't this being made common knowledge? nobody ever seems to talk about what's really going on with things and bullshit like this pisses me off.

anyone have any opinions on this, or any info that can be brought to light?

LDUK · by **LDUK** » 06 Nov 2009 18:29

That sucks.

I think you should have the same HC system as here in the UK. It's free

Quim · by **Quim** » 06 Nov 2009 19:48

No.. the NHS is NOT free.. the taxpayers amongst us pay for it.. it's called National Insurance Contributions.

:rolleyes:

LDUK · by **LDUK** » 06 Nov 2009 21:58

Quim wrote:No.. the NHS is NOT free.. the taxpayers amongst us pay for it.. it's called National Insurance Contributions.

It is for me. I don't pay Tax

Quim · by **Quim** » 06 Nov 2009 22:39

LDUK wrote:
Quim wrote:No.. the NHS is NOT free.. the taxpayers amongst us pay for it.. it's called National Insurance Contributions.

It is for me. I don't pay Tax

Get a job.

Shower while you're at it

LDUK · by **LDUK** » 07 Nov 2009 01:05

Quim wrote:
LDUK wrote:
Quim wrote:No.. the NHS is NOT free.. the taxpayers amongst us pay for it.. it's called National Insurance Contributions.

It is for me. I don't pay Tax

Get a job.

Shower while you're at it

I have a job. I just don't get paid enough to pay Tax. They wont give me more hours either. Bullshit company. Tesco that is.

runawaygun762 · by **runawaygun762** » 19 Feb 2010 19:50

Nationalized healthcare for a country of over 300 million people would be an utter disaster. The federal government here does not have a single successful program to its credit. One of my biggest irritations with it is nobody is able to explain, to my satisfaction, how another person's healthcare is my responsibility. Sure, it'd be nice if everybody had medical care, but for the government to use its police powers to force citizens to pay for the healthcare of others is wrong.

Haggard · by **Haggard** » 19 Feb 2010 23:12

lol and the government thinks everyone hates them now?

RbowUnicorn · by **RbowUnicorn** » 19 Feb 2010 23:47

runawaygun762 wrote:Nationalized healthcare for a country of over 300 million people would be an utter disaster. The federal government here does not have a single successful program to its credit. One of my biggest irritations with it is nobody is able to explain, to my satisfaction, how another person's healthcare is my responsibility. Sure, it'd be nice if everybody had medical care, but for the government to use its police powers to force citizens to pay for the healthcare of others is wrong.

We both live in Arizona, because of AHCCCS we already pay taxes for other peoples health care.
What I'm sick of is the welfare system, even after reforms it will still give you more money if you have more children which is ridicules. I'm a little of an independent so I'm not against helping people out for a little bit, but I'm for a system that "helps" you become self sufficient, not one like we currently have where it just perpetuates a cycle of poverty. :blah:

HappyDeathMachine · by **HappyDeathMachine** » 20 Feb 2010 01:49

Ask Massachusetts how their universal health-care worked out for them.

I hate playing this card so much, but once again, as a military member I have plenty of experience with government run health-care. Americans, we do not want this!!!! If it's all you can afford, then I guess you have to do what you can do, but for the love of GOD do NOT give up your private insurance if you have some.

If you have never experienced an Army dentist (i'm in the Airforce, but I've spent most of my career on an Army post) you do not want to start now.

On a side note, one of my dentists was openly gay. He was a civilian so it was okay with everyone. Think about that for a minute....

runawaygun762 · by **runawaygun762** » 22 Feb 2010 14:53

I contacted a couple of state representatives here in AZ and suggested starting a program where welfare recipients are required to submit to a urinalyis and piss clean in order to receive any benefits. If they piss hot, they lose all handouts for six months. After that first offense, if they piss hot again, they lose handouts forever. I am an advocate of forcing people to work if they're capable, but that is a bit of a shock for our pussified society, so just like the anti-gun fucks, I say we move that way in increments, starting with "common sense" welfare reform.

RbowUnicorn · by **RbowUnicorn** » 22 Feb 2010 23:22

runawaygun762 wrote:I contacted a couple of state representatives here in AZ and suggested starting a program where welfare recipients are required to submit to a urinalyis and piss clean in order to receive any benefits. If they piss hot, they lose all handouts for six months. After that first offense, if they piss hot again, they lose handouts forever. I am an advocate of forcing people to work if they're capable, but that is a bit of a shock for our pussified society, so just like the anti-gun fucks, I say we move that way in increments, starting with "common sense" welfare reform.

You do realize this "forced into work" and "welfare to work" is a system the global elite have wanted for decades don't you. I'm all for assisting those who are capable of work, into finding jobs/stable positions etc. However this idea of creating "entitlements" that we "have to work for" is called socialism. This is what the Global Elite want, because what socialist philosphy doesn't admit to is that there will either still be the rich; or that "the rich" will be replaced by a "wealthy" government. We shouldn't start down this road of forced labor, because it will start with those on entitlement programs, but will end with everyone on entitlement programs forced to work or else they will lose their rent benefits, food money benefits, health insurance coverage etc etc

As for the pissing clean. I'm all for it.

runawaygun762 · by **runawaygun762** » 23 Feb 2010 13:06

Exactly my point, rainbow. The term entitlements is a ridiculous term to begin with when discussing welfare. You are not entitled to be taken care of by the state. I would like to see any valid argument showing how welfare is constitutionally legal. You are using the law enforcement power, the threat of prison, to take money from productive citizens and give it to the non-productive members of society. Okay, 100% forced labor may not be right, but anyone receiving taxpayer welfare should be forced to work. Of course when you discuss forced labor in the socialistic setting, you are referring to forced labor in government-run facitlities. I am not. I'm not really even advocating forced labor as much as I am advocating getting rid of welfare programs entirely. That will force people to work, rely on the generosity of other individuals/organizations, or die. The problem is that welfare right now is only good for appeasing the masses of lazy, unproductive people. I'm willing to bet if we enacted mandatory piss tests for welfare recipients, citizenship verification, as well as limiting their sundries and entertainment spending through mandatory financial planning and bugetary audits, we would save a huge amount of money that could be diverted elsewhere in this state.

BBQBeefHulaHoops · by **BBQBeefHulaHoops** » 06 Mar 2010 21:00

I'd like to suggest the healthcare system in England but, although it looks good on paper and in theory, that's about it. If you need a hospital you usually have to travel to Warrington from where I live (half an hour by car almost an hour by bus). This includes if you require the Accident and Emergency ward out of 'business hours' or on weekends. Because a lot of people in the area are being forced to travel to Warrington the waiting time's gone up a lot. Basically it sucks to need medical assistance in this country and usually sucks if you see a doctor as they'll try and palm you off with the 'best available' treatment (read as cheapest). The best part is that because National Insurance is compulsory (not too sure how that other poster has avoided paying it, I've even been required to pay it when I was working part time 12 hours a week) for EVERYONE working so you get to see your wage before and after the deduction and be glad you didn't opt out and go for private care (made possible how, when you can't find long term employment). Also the NHS categorizes breast reduction surgery as necessary if you're doctor agrees you are suffering somehow but I've known a few women who basically lie through their teeth to get it.

huskie · by **huskie** » 06 Mar 2010 22:12

we have medicare in australia. It is taxpayer funded and works fantastically.

You still have the option of paying for health insurance on top of this, and if you do, you get a rebate on your tax return. easy.

I love living in a country where i know that if i need urgent medical care and dont have any money, i can still see a doctor for free!

RbowUnicorn · by **RbowUnicorn** » 06 Mar 2010 22:29

huskie wrote:we have medicare in australia. It is taxpayer funded and works fantastically.

You still have the option of paying for health insurance on top of this, and if you do, you get a rebate on your tax return. easy.

I love living in a country where i know that if i need urgent medical care and dont have any money, i can still see a doctor for free!

We can still do that here in the U.S, they only get asked to get paid afterwords.
and fyi it's not 100% free, you still pay for it through taxes.

BBQBeefHulaHoops · by **BBQBeefHulaHoops** » 06 Mar 2010 22:48

Fuck! It's posts like these that make me hate living in England for certain things

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